Looking for Jesus according to Luke

[Matthias]

13) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 7:

- John the baptist sends two of his disciples to ask Jesus if he is the Messiah!

- They can see Jesus curing people and doing many miracles and teaching about God’s Kingdom!

- And Jesus tells them to tell what they have just seen!

- Action is better than words!

- When what we say corresponds with what we do, it is more powerful than anything!

- Jesus doesn’t answer directly to John but he tells him about his miracles and his teaching! Isn’t it the best answer?

- John the Baptist understands perfectly well and he rejoices!

- But not the religious leaders: where is the mistake?

- They understand but they don’t care because it is against their own interests!

- Jesus looks for his Father’s interests, they don’t!

- So we must be careful not to serve the religious leaders’ interests instead of God’s interests!

The religious leaders understood that Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah. John the Baptist believed what Jesus claimed; most of the religious leaders didn’t.

- But they wanted someone who would free them from the Romans!

Wouldn’t you if you were in their place?

- They wanted a human king as usual!

Jesus is a human king.

- Thus they have always rejected Yah.weh!

They haven’t always rejected Yahweh.

- They should have been destroyed many times And Moses saved them!

This is an excellent point. Yahweh has historically sent saviors to save his people.

“In the time of their trouble, when they cried to you, you heard from heaven, and according to your manifold mercies saviors who saved them out of the hands of their adversaries.”

(Nehemiah 9:27)

Moses was one such savior whom Yahweh raised up and sent to save his people.

 

[JLG]

13) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 7:

- John the baptist sends two of his disciples to ask Jesus if he is the Messiah!

- They can see Jesus curing people and doing many miracles and teaching about God’s Kingdom!

- And Jesus tells them to tell what they have just seen!

- Action is better than words!

- When what we say corresponds with what we do, it is more powerful than anything!

- Jesus doesn’t answer directly to John but he tells him about his miracles and his teaching! Isn’t it the best answer?

- John the Baptist understands perfectly well and he rejoices!

- But not the religious leaders: where is the mistake?

- They understand but they don’t care because it is against their own interests!

- Jesus looks for his Father’s interests, they don’t!

- So we must be careful not to serve the religious leaders’ interests instead of God’s interests!

The religious leaders understood that Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah. John the Baptist believed what Jesus claimed; most of the religious leaders didn’t.

- But they wanted someone who would free them from the Romans!

Wouldn’t you if you were in their place?

- They wanted a human king as usual!

Jesus is a human king.

- Thus they have always rejected Yah.weh!

They haven’t always rejected Yahweh.

- No way, the Bible only speaks about Yah.weh's kingdom!

The Bible speaks about many kingdoms.

- No way, he only went down on the earth because Yah.weh gave him a mission!

Yahweh raised him up from among the people and sent him into the world. It’s fair to say that he was on a mission from God.

- But his place is in heaven in the New Jerusalem!

Jesus is in heaven now - sitting at the right hand of Yahweh - but he will return to the earth in the future. His place is reigning on the throne of his father David in Jerusalem.

- They started doing it just when they left Egypt!

I think we could say that they started “doing it” even before they went down to Egypt.

- They should have been destroyed many times And Moses saved them!

Moses interceded for them and Yahweh saved them.

- Yes, but at the end there will only be one left: Yah.weh's kingdom!
- No way, his place is in the new Jerusalem which is in heaven (Revelation 3:12)!
- some will sit down with him on his throne as he sits down with his Father on His throne (revelation 3:21)!
- And it is in heaven!
- The thrown of Yah.weh is in heaven (Revelation chapter 4:2)!
- Revelation 21:22 tells us that there is no temple because Yah.weh and the Lamb are its temple!
- And in the new Jerusalem there is no sun because of Yah.weh's glory and the Lamb is its lamp (Revelation 21:23)!

 

[Matthias]

13) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 7:

- John the baptist sends two of his disciples to ask Jesus if he is the Messiah!

- They can see Jesus curing people and doing many miracles and teaching about God’s Kingdom!

- And Jesus tells them to tell what they have just seen!

- Action is better than words!

- When what we say corresponds with what we do, it is more powerful than anything!

- Jesus doesn’t answer directly to John but he tells him about his miracles and his teaching! Isn’t it the best answer?

- John the Baptist understands perfectly well and he rejoices!

- But not the religious leaders: where is the mistake?

- They understand but they don’t care because it is against their own interests!

- Jesus looks for his Father’s interests, they don’t!

- So we must be careful not to serve the religious leaders’ interests instead of God’s interests!

The religious leaders understood that Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah. John the Baptist believed what Jesus claimed; most of the religious leaders didn’t.

- But they wanted someone who would free them from the Romans!

Wouldn’t you if you were in their place?

- They wanted a human king as usual!

Jesus is a human king.

- Thus they have always rejected Yah.weh!

They haven’t always rejected Yahweh.

- No way, the Bible only speaks about Yah.weh's kingdom!

The Bible speaks about many kingdoms.

- No way, he only went down on the earth because Yah.weh gave him a mission!

Yahweh raised him up from among the people and sent him into the world. It’s fair to say that he was on a mission from God.

- But his place is in heaven in the New Jerusalem!

Jesus is in heaven now - sitting at the right hand of Yahweh - but he will return to the earth in the future. His place is reigning on the throne of his father David in Jerusalem.

- They started doing it just when they left Egypt!

I think we could say that they started “doing it” even before they went down to Egypt.

- They should have been destroyed many times And Moses saved them!

Moses interceded for them and Yahweh saved them.

- Yes, but at the end there will only be one left: Yah.weh's kingdom!

Yes. All the kingdoms of the world will become the kingdom of Yahweh.

- No way, his place is in the new Jerusalem which is in heaven (Revelation 3:12)!

If that were so then Jesus would not have been promised David’s throne and he wouldn’t be returning to reign over his inheritance.

The people in the first century longed for the Messiah to free them from the reign of the Romans. I would have if I jad been there. I think you probably would have too.

I long for the Messiah to free us from the reign of the rulers of the nations in our own day. The day is coming when he will.

- some will sit down with him on his throne as he sits down with his Father on His throne (revelation 3:21)!

The saints will rule with the Messiah.

- And it is in heaven!

The meek will inherit heaven? No. The action is on the earth. The meek will inherit the earth.

- The thrown of Yah.weh is in heaven (Revelation chapter 4:2)!

Yes, the thrown of Yahweh is in heaven.

- Revelation 21:22 tells us that there is no temple because Yah.weh and the Lamb are its temple!

The scene is on the new earth, not heaven.

- And in the new Jerusalem there is no sun because of Yah.weh's glory and the Lamb is its lamp (Revelation 21:23)!

That’s right, but it doesn’t alter the fact that Jesus and those who belong to him will inherit the earth and rule over it.

 

[Matthias]

David’s throne is in Jerusalem, not in heaven. Jesus isn’t sitting on David’s throne now; he will when he returns to the earth. The government of the kingdom will be centered there; Jerusalem will be the capitol. Jesus and those who belong to him will reign on the earth for a thousand years.

 

[JLG]

13) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 7:

- John the baptist sends two of his disciples to ask Jesus if he is the Messiah!

- They can see Jesus curing people and doing many miracles and teaching about God’s Kingdom!

- And Jesus tells them to tell what they have just seen!

- Action is better than words!

- When what we say corresponds with what we do, it is more powerful than anything!

- Jesus doesn’t answer directly to John but he tells him about his miracles and his teaching! Isn’t it the best answer?

- John the Baptist understands perfectly well and he rejoices!

- But not the religious leaders: where is the mistake?

- They understand but they don’t care because it is against their own interests!

- Jesus looks for his Father’s interests, they don’t!

- So we must be careful not to serve the religious leaders’ interests instead of God’s interests!

The religious leaders understood that Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah. John the Baptist believed what Jesus claimed; most of the religious leaders didn’t.

- But they wanted someone who would free them from the Romans!

Wouldn’t you if you were in their place?

- They wanted a human king as usual!

Jesus is a human king.

- Thus they have always rejected Yah.weh!

They haven’t always rejected Yahweh.

- No way, the Bible only speaks about Yah.weh's kingdom!

The Bible speaks about many kingdoms.

- No way, he only went down on the earth because Yah.weh gave him a mission!

Yahweh raised him up from among the people and sent him into the world. It’s fair to say that he was on a mission from God.

- But his place is in heaven in the New Jerusalem!

Jesus is in heaven now - sitting at the right hand of Yahweh - but he will return to the earth in the future. His place is reigning on the throne of his father David in Jerusalem.

- They started doing it just when they left Egypt!

I think we could say that they started “doing it” even before they went down to Egypt.

- They should have been destroyed many times And Moses saved them!

Moses interceded for them and Yahweh saved them.

- Yes, but at the end there will only be one left: Yah.weh's kingdom!

Yes. All the kingdoms of the world will become the kingdom of Yahweh.

- No way, his place is in the new Jerusalem which is in heaven (Revelation 3:12)!

If that were so then Jesus would not have been promised David’s throne and he wouldn’t be returning to reign over his inheritance.

The people in the first century longed for the Messiah to free them from the reign of the Romans. I would have if I jad been there. I think you probably would have too.

I long for the Messiah to free us from the reign of the rulers of the nations in our own day. The day is coming when he will.

- some will sit down with him on his throne as he sits down with his Father on His throne (revelation 3:21)!

The saints will rule with the Messiah.

- And it is in heaven!

The meek will inherit heaven? No. The action is on the earth. The meek will inherit the earth.

- The thrown of Yah.weh is in heaven (Revelation chapter 4:2)!

Yes, the thrown of Yahweh is in heaven.

- Revelation 21:22 tells us that there is no temple because Yah.weh and the Lamb are its temple!

The scene is on the new earth, not heaven.

- And in the new Jerusalem there is no sun because of Yah.weh's glory and the Lamb is its lamp (Revelation 21:23)!

That’s right, but it doesn’t alter the fact that Jesus and those who belong to him will inherit the earth and rule over it.

- Revelation 22:1: the throne of the Lamb is with the throne of Yah.weh!
- And they are in the New Jerusalem which is in heaven!
- The devil is the god and the leader of this world!
- It doesn't mean he lives on the earth!
- Jesus came down on the earth because he has a mission!
- His place is in heaven with his Father!
- He doesn't need to be on the earth to control it!
- Yah.weh was the king of Israel till they asked for a human king!
- But he was in heaven!

 

[Matthias]

13) Jesus vs the religious leaders

Luke 7:

- John the baptist sends two of his disciples to ask Jesus if he is the Messiah!

- They can see Jesus curing people and doing many miracles and teaching about God’s Kingdom!

- And Jesus tells them to tell what they have just seen!

- Action is better than words!

- When what we say corresponds with what we do, it is more powerful than anything!

- Jesus doesn’t answer directly to John but he tells him about his miracles and his teaching! Isn’t it the best answer?

- John the Baptist understands perfectly well and he rejoices!

- But not the religious leaders: where is the mistake?

- They understand but they don’t care because it is against their own interests!

- Jesus looks for his Father’s interests, they don’t!

- So we must be careful not to serve the religious leaders’ interests instead of God’s interests!

The religious leaders understood that Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah. John the Baptist believed what Jesus claimed; most of the religious leaders didn’t.

- But they wanted someone who would free them from the Romans!

Wouldn’t you if you were in their place?

- They wanted a human king as usual!

Jesus is a human king.

- Thus they have always rejected Yah.weh!

They haven’t always rejected Yahweh.

- No way, the Bible only speaks about Yah.weh's kingdom!

The Bible speaks about many kingdoms.

- No way, he only went down on the earth because Yah.weh gave him a mission!

Yahweh raised him up from among the people and sent him into the world. It’s fair to say that he was on a mission from God.

- But his place is in heaven in the New Jerusalem!

Jesus is in heaven now - sitting at the right hand of Yahweh - but he will return to the earth in the future. His place is reigning on the throne of his father David in Jerusalem.

- They started doing it just when they left Egypt!

I think we could say that they started “doing it” even before they went down to Egypt.

- They should have been destroyed many times And Moses saved them!

Moses interceded for them and Yahweh saved them.

- Yes, but at the end there will only be one left: Yah.weh's kingdom!

Yes. All the kingdoms of the world will become the kingdom of Yahweh.

- No way, his place is in the new Jerusalem which is in heaven (Revelation 3:12)!

If that were so then Jesus would not have been promised David’s throne and he wouldn’t be returning to reign over his inheritance.

The people in the first century longed for the Messiah to free them from the reign of the Romans. I would have if I jad been there. I think you probably would have too.

I long for the Messiah to free us from the reign of the rulers of the nations in our own day. The day is coming when he will.

- some will sit down with him on his throne as he sits down with his Father on His throne (revelation 3:21)!

The saints will rule with the Messiah.

- And it is in heaven!

The meek will inherit heaven? No. The action is on the earth. The meek will inherit the earth.

- The thrown of Yah.weh is in heaven (Revelation chapter 4:2)!

Yes, the thrown of Yahweh is in heaven.

- Revelation 21:22 tells us that there is no temple because Yah.weh and the Lamb are its temple!

The scene is on the new earth, not heaven.

- And in the new Jerusalem there is no sun because of Yah.weh's glory and the Lamb is its lamp (Revelation 21:23)!

That’s right, but it doesn’t alter the fact that Jesus and those who belong to him will inherit the earth and rule over it.

- Revelation 22:1: the throne of the Lamb is with the throne of Yah.weh!
- And they are in the New Jerusalem which is in heaven!
- The devil is the god and the leader of this world!
- It doesn't mean he lives on the earth!
- Jesus came down on the earth because he has a mission!
- His place is in heaven with his Father!
- He doesn't need to be on the earth to control it!
- Yah.weh was the king of Israel till they asked for a human king!
- But he was in heaven!

Jesus is coming back to the earth.

 

[JLG]

- This is a human vision!
- Jesus will fight with his angels against mankind!
- But his place has always been with his father in heaven!
- He will reign from heaven!

 

[Matthias]

- This is a human vision!
- Jesus will fight with his angels against mankind!
- But his place has always been with his father in heaven!
- He will reign from heaven!

I don’t see that as the vision expressed by the prophets. Man’s domain is the earth. It‘s the earth that is promised to Jesus and those who follow him.

His place is with his followers. His God and Father will be here too.

 

[Matthias]

“Land is a critical, if not the central theme of biblical faith.”

(Walter Brueggeman, The Land, p. 3)

Jesus gets the land, the whole earth. His followers will get it too - when he returns.

 

[JLG]

“Land is a critical, if not the central theme of biblical faith.”

(Walter Brueggeman, The Land, p. 3)

Jesus gets the land, the whole earth. His followers will get it too - when he returns.

- No way , his throne is with his Father's throne in the new Jerusalem in heaven!
- He has always been with Him!
- And it's not going to change!
- His place will always be in heaven with him!
- He proved his faithfulness by dying for mankind!
- He will reign from heaven!

 

[Matthias]

“Land is a critical, if not the central theme of biblical faith.”

(Walter Brueggeman, The Land, p. 3)

Jesus gets the land, the whole earth. His followers will get it too - when he returns.

- No way , his throne is with his Father's throne in the new Jerusalem in heaven!
- He has always been with Him!
- And it's not going to change!
- His place will always be in heaven with him!
- He proved his faithfulness by dying for mankind!
- He will reign from heaven!

If Jesus doesn’t sit and reign on the throne of David in Jerusalem, then Jesus isn’t the promised Messiah. (He isn’t sitting and reigning on David’s throne at this time. That’s one of the major reasons why Jews don’t accept Jesus as the Messiah.)

If Jesus doesn’t get the whole earth, then Jesus isn’t the Messiah.

If those who belong to Jesus don’t get the whole world too when he returns, then Jesus isn’t the Messiah.

Jesus is the Messiah. He will sit and reign on David’s throne in Jerusalem when he returns - this is the point which unbelievers refuse to acknowledge - precisely as prophesied in scripture.

Those who belong to him will reign with him. That too will happen when he returns to the earth. The saints aren’t ruling the world at this time.

 

[JLG]

Genesis 49:10

“Land is a critical, if not the central theme of biblical faith.”

(Walter Brueggeman, The Land, p. 3)

Jesus gets the land, the whole earth. His followers will get it too - when he returns.

- No way , his throne is with his Father's throne in the new Jerusalem in heaven!
- He has always been with Him!
- And it's not going to change!
- His place will always be in heaven with him!
- He proved his faithfulness by dying for mankind!
- He will reign from heaven!

If Jesus doesn’t sit and reign on the throne of David in Jerusalem, then Jesus isn’t the promised Messiah. (He isn’t sitting and reigning on David’s throne at this time. That’s one of the major reasons why Jews don’t accept Jesus as the Messiah.)

If Jesus doesn’t get the whole earth, then Jesus isn’t the Messiah.

If those who belong to Jesus don’t get the whole world too when he returns, then Jesus isn’t the Messiah.

Jesus is the Messiah. He will sit and reign on David’s throne in Jerusalem when he returns - this is the point which unbelievers refuse to acknowledge - precisely as prophesied in scripture.

Those who belong to him will reign with him. That too will happen when he returns to the earth. The saints aren’t ruling the world at this time.

Genesis 49:10

The scepter
שֵׁ֙בֶט֙ (šê·ḇeṭ)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's 7626: Rod, staff, club, scepter, tribe

will not
לֹֽא־ (lō-)
Adverb - Negative particle
Strong's 3808: Not, no

depart
יָס֥וּר (yā·sūr)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 5493: To turn aside

from Judah,
מִֽיהוּדָ֔ה (mî·hū·ḏāh)
Preposition-m | Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 3063: Judah -- 'praised', a son of Jacob, also the southern kingdom, also four Israelites

nor the staff
וּמְחֹקֵ֖ק (ū·mə·ḥō·qêq)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Piel - Participle - masculine singular
Strong's 2710: To hack, engrave, to enact, prescribe

from between
מִבֵּ֣ין (mib·bên)
Preposition-m
Strong's 996: An interval, space between

his feet,
רַגְלָ֑יו (raḡ·lāw)
Noun - fdc | third person masculine singular
Strong's 7272: A foot, a step, the pudenda

until
עַ֚ד (‘aḏ)
Preposition
Strong's 5704: As far as, even to, up to, until, while

Shiloh
שִׁיל֔וֹ (šî·lōw)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's 7886: Shiloh -- perhaps 'he whose it is', a Messianic title

comes
יָבֹ֣א (yā·ḇō)
Verb - Qal - Imperfect - third person masculine singular
Strong's 935: To come in, come, go in, go

and the allegiance
יִקְּהַ֥ת (yiq·qə·haṯ)
Noun - feminine singular construct
Strong's 3349: Obedience

of the nations is his.
עַמִּֽים׃ (‘am·mîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's 5971: A people, a tribe, troops, attendants, a flock

- Perfectly correct!

 

[JLG]

Numbers 24:17,19: “I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel . . . a ruler will come out of Jacob . . .”

- Perfectly correct!

 

[JLG]

Psalm 60:7: “Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim is my helmet, Judah my scepter.”

- Perfectly correct!

 

[JLG]

Psalm 2:7-9: “You are my Son, today I have become your Father. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance; the ends of the earth your possession. You will rule them with an iron scepter, you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”

- Perfectly correct!
- No contradiction that Jesus will reign from heaven!

 

[JLG]

Isaiah 42:1,4: “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the nations . . . He will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth…”

- Perfectly correct!
- No contradiction that Jesus will reign from heaven!

 

[JLG]

Isaiah 42:1,4: “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the nations . . . He will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth…”

- Perfectly correct!
- No contradiction that Jesus will reign from heaven!

 

[JLG]

Revelation 21:23-24: “The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its light. The nations will walk by its light and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it…”

- Perfectly correct!
- No contradiction that Jesus will reign from heaven!

 

[Matthias]

Jesus will reign from the throne of David. The throne of David isn’t, and never was, in heaven.

 

[JLG]

- The contradiction is the human vision!
- They will never understand!
- It has always been so!
- Why should it change?
- The throne of the lamb will be with the throne of Yah.weh!
- It will be in the New Jerusalem in heaven!
- They killed the prophets of Yah.weh because they didn't want to listen to Him!
- Jerusalem was destroyed twice!
- But they still don't want to listen to his voice!
- Yah.weh is Jesus' Father!
- His throne will always be with his Father's throne!