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Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus

jdyson

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My confession
My mother gave me a King James Bible when I was a child. Seventy-one (71) years later I still have it. My bible has numerous marker tags highlighting what I found interesting and worth reminding me of for future review.
I began by reading the New Testament which is full of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus taught us how to be kind to others, as in the stranger but most of all Jesus used the Book of Ezekiel one of the major prophetic books in the Old Testament. It records six visions of the prophet Ezekiel, exiled in Babylon, during the 22 years from 593 to 571 BC.
The visions, and the book, are structured around three themes: (1) Judgment on Israel (chapters 1–24); (2) Judgment on the nations (chapters 25–32); and (3) Future blessings for Israel (chapters 33–48). Its themes include the concepts of the presence of God, purity, Israel as a divine community, and individual responsibility to God.

Book of Ezekiel - Wikipedia
During this period Jerusalem was under the rule of the Romans which the local community strongly rejected.

More famous Jewish teachers come from Galilee than anywhere else in the world. They were known for their great reverence for Scripture and the passionate desire to be faithful to it. This translated into vibrant religious communities, devoted to strong families, their country, whose synagogues echoed the debate and discussions about keeping the Torah. They resisted the pagan influences of Hellenism far more than did their Judean counterparts. When the great revolt against the pagan Romans and their collaborators (66-74 AD) finally occurred, it began among the Galileans.
That the World May Know | Rabbi and Talmidim

in Palestine there were a number of occasions when more restless elements in the population resisted Roman abuses and followed the tradition of “zealousness for the Law.”
under the Romans (ruled 37-4 B.C.E.). Herod surrounded himself with Greek scholars and undertook many building projects, including a magnificent and fortified palace. He rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem.

Before he died, Jesus of Nazareth was born.

Life for the Jews under the procurators was exceedingly difficult
. This protrait is confirmed by the Jewish historian Josephus who chronicled a number of events that provoked the Jews under Pilate and other procurators, leading to riots, beatings, and executions.
The last procurators in particular were indifferent to Jewish religious sensibilities; and various patriotic groups, to whom nationalism was an integral part of their religion, succeeded in polarizing the Jewish population and bringing on the first war with Rome in 66. The climax of the war, as noted earlier, was the destruction of the Temple in 70, though, according to Josephus, Titus sought to spare it.

Bar Kokhba Revolt, also called Second Jewish Revolt, (132–135 CE), Jewish rebellion against Roman rule in Judaea. The revolt was preceded by years of clashes between Jews and Romans in the area.
Bar Kokhba Revolt | History & Facts | Britannica

The history of the Jews in the Roman Empire

Rebellion in Judaea

Although Judaea was ruled by the Romans, the governors there had practiced the same kind of religious tolerance as was shown to Jews in Rome. However, Roman tactlessness and inefficiency, along with famine and internal squabbles, led to a rise in Jewish discontent.

In 66 AD, this discontent exploded into open rebellion. Four years later, the Roman army had crushed the revolt, but had also destroyed the temple. The sacred treasures were seized and shown off in a procession through the streets of Rome.
The Roman Empire: in the First Century. The Roman Empire. Jews In Roman Times | PBS

The history of Palestine is the study of the past in the region of Palestine, defined as the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River (where Israel and Palestine are today). Strategically situated between three continents, Palestine has a tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. Palestine is the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity and has been controlled by many kingdoms and powers, including Ancient Egypt, Persia, Alexander the Great and his successors, the Roman Empire, several Muslim dynasties, and the Crusaders. In modern times, the area was ruled by the Ottoman Empire.

The region was among the earliest in the world to see human habitation, agricultural communities and civilization. The Canaanites established independent city-states that were influenced by the surrounding civilizations, among them Egypt, which ruled the area in the Late Bronze Age. The Assyrians conquered Palestine in the 8th century BCE, then the Babylonians in c. 601 BCE, followed by the Persians who conquered the Babylonian Empire in 539 BCE. Alexander the Great conquered Palestine in the late 330s BCE, beginning a long period of Hellenization. In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.
In the late 2nd century BCE, the semi-independent Hasmonean kingdom conquered most of Palestine but the kingdom gradually became a vassal of Rome, which annexed Palestine in 63 BCE. Roman rule was troubled by Jewish rebellions, which Rome answered with by destroying the Jews' temple.
History of Palestine - Wikipedia

The crucifixion of Jesus occurred in 1st-century Judea, most likely in either AD 30 or AD 33. Jesus' crucifixion is described in the four canonical gospels, referred to in the New Testament epistles, attested to by other ancient sources, and is established as a historical event confirmed by non-Christian sources.
According to the canonical gospels, Jesus was arrested and tried by the Sanhedrin, and then sentenced by Pontius Pilate to be scourged.

Sanhedrin Court
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Jesus was stripped of his clothing and offered vinegar mixed with myrrh or gall to drink after saying "I am thirsty". He was then hung between two convicted thieves and, according to the Gospel of Mark, died by the 9th hour of the day (at around 3:00 p.m.). During this time, the soldiers affixed a sign to the top of the cross stating "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" which, according to the Gospel of John (John 19:20), was written in three languages (Hebrew, Latin, and Greek). They then divided his garments among themselves and cast lots for his seamless robe, according to the Gospel of John. According to the Gospel of John, after Jesus' death, one soldier (named in extra-Biblical tradition as Longinus) pierced his side with a spear to be certain that he had died, then blood and water gushed from the wound. The Bible describes seven statements that Jesus made while he was on the cross, as well as several supernatural events that occurred.
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Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia


In the canonical gospels, Pilate's court refers to the trial of Jesus in praetorium before Pontius Pilate, preceded by the Sanhedrin Trial. In the Gospel of Luke, Pilate finds that Jesus, being from Galilee, belonged to Herod Antipas' jurisdiction, and so he decides to send Jesus to Herod. After questioning Jesus and receiving very few replies, Herod sees Jesus as no threat and returns him to Pilate.
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In all four gospels, the Denial of Peter functions as an intermission during the Sanhedrin trial, while Matthew adds an intermission during the trial before Pilate that narrates the suicide of Judas Iscariot.
At the time Jerusalem was part of Roman Judea, the charges of the Sanhedrin against Jesus held no power before Pilate. He was therefore not a political threat and could be seen as innocent of such a charge. [Jn. 18:36]
Stepping back outside, Pilate publicly declared that he found no basis to charge Jesus,

Pilate's court - Wikipedia

Early in the morning the chief priests (Rabbis)and elders planned to have Jesus executed.

Thirty pieces of silver was the price for which Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus,
according to an account in the Gospel of Matthew 26:15 in the New Testament. Before the Last Supper, Judas is said to have gone to the chief priests and agreed to hand over Jesus in exchange for 30 silver coins, and to have attempted to return the money afterwards, filled with remorse.

Pilate explained the amnesty vote and asked: 'Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?'

Chief priests (Rabbis) and officials shouted: 'Crucify! Crucify!' Pilate: 'Go ahead and crucify him. [Pilate says] I myself find no guilt in him.' Jewish leaders: 'Our law says he must die because he claimed to be the Son of God.'

Pilate, interrogated Jesus inside. Pilate tried to set Jesus free.
Jewish leaders: (Rabbis)
If you let him go, you disobey Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.'
Pilate brought out Jesus around noon, saying: 'Here is your king.' They [Jewish leaders] shouted: 'Take him away, crucify him!'
Pilate: 'Shall I crucify your king?' Chief priests: 'We have no king but Caesar.'
Pilate handed Jesus over to them for crucifixion.

Early in the morning Jesus was taken to Pilate by the Jewish leaders (Rabbis)

Pilate, inside: 'Are you the king of the Jews?' Jesus: 'My kingdom is not of this world, otherwise my servants would have fought to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders.'
Pilate: 'You are a king, then!' Jesus: 'You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.' Pilate: 'What is truth?'

Pilate, outside: 'I find no guilt in him.'

by the Jewish leaders under Pilate

In the New Testament, the Sanhedrin trial of Jesus refers to the trial of Jesus before the Sanhedrin (a Jewish judicial body) following his arrest in Jerusalem and prior to the trial before Pontius Pilate. It is an incident reported by all three Synoptic Gospels of the New Testament, while John's Gospel refers to a preliminary inquiry before Annas. The gospel accounts vary on a number of details.

Jesus is generally quiet, does not mount a defense, and rarely responds to the accusations, and is found guilty of various offenses: violating the Sabbath law (by healing on the Sabbath), threatening to destroy the Jewish Temple, practicing sorcery, exorcising people by the power of demons, and claiming to be the Messiah. He is then taken to Pontius Pilate, the governor of Roman Judaea, to be tried for claiming to be the King of the Jews.
Sanhedrin trial of Jesus - Wikipedia
Thereafter, in Pilate's Court, the Jewish elders (Rabbis) ask Pontius Pilate to judge and condemn Jesus, accusing him of claiming to be the King of the Jews. Such a claim would be considered treasonous, for being a direct challenge to the Roman authorities.
Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus.

Anyone agree or disagree?
 

Willy

Pro Poster
It was me … I put Him there …

I was once His enemy … He died for His enemies …

Romans 5:6-11

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
 

Willy

Pro Poster
Israel did what they were ordained to do.

God chose Israel, whom He loves dearly, to do what was necessary to bring atonement not just to Israel, but to the Nations.

Without Israel sending Our Lord Jesus to the Cross, there would be no hope for anyone to have life in God, all would still be dead in sin and would remain so ...

It is my sin that put Him on that tree. I take responsibility for His death.

Was it your sin as well that put Him there?

If it was not, God has nothing more for you.



John 11:47-53

47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.

48 If we let him thus alone, all [men] will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.

49 And one of them, [named] Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.


53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.
 

Willy

Pro Poster
1 Corinthians 15:1-11

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which [was bestowed] upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

11 Therefore whether [it were] I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

:52a:
 

Willy

Pro Poster
Your point?
Jesus did not die for our sins as some want us to believe. Jesus was murdered by the Romans at the request of some local Rabbis to stop Jesus from preaching from the book of Ezekiel.
Book of Ezekiel - Wikipedia
jdyson,

Why do you have a problem with this?

God's plan to save lost humanity is the main theme of The Bible …

First God shows that all peoples are lost and evil constantly. He used Israel to demonstrate this point.

They were (are) the canary in the coal mine so to speak …

When they stoned Stephen, rejecting their risen King and Messiah, that is the last straw. God suspends His work with them, knocks Saul of Tarsus off of his horse, changes his name to Paul (little one) and sends him to the Nations with the Gospel … a Gospel with a fuller fleshed out revelation …

Israel is still God's, ... but on hold until God saves those in the Nations that are His …

That be you … me thinks, … a lost sinner like the rest of us, unless you reject that point. If you reject your lost state, you will have no appreciation for the mighty act of redemptive love displayed by God on Calvary's Cross …

Coming to this is not something you read in a work of literature, it is not something you work out on your own.

Rather, it is something that is worked out dealing with God.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

There, you have the recipe, … but not really, and that is the “Power” manifest by God to this age, because even in hearing it (reading it), you still don't hear it, ...unless God opens it to you …

Please, like the rest of, deal with God concerning your sin, and then deal with Him concerning His solution to that problem …

sincerely,

Willy

:tiphat:
 

jdyson

Advanced Poster
Your point?
Jesus did not die for our sins as some want us to believe. Jesus was murdered by the Romans at the request of some local Rabbis to stop Jesus from preaching from the book of Ezekiel.
Book of Ezekiel - Wikipedia
jdyson,

Why do you have a problem with this?

God's plan to save lost humanity is the main theme of The Bible …

First God shows that all peoples are lost and evil constantly. He used Israel to demonstrate this point.

They were (are) the canary in the coal mine so to speak …

When they stoned Stephen, rejecting their risen King and Messiah, that is the last straw. God suspends His work with them, knocks Saul of Tarsus off of his horse, changes his name to Paul (little one) and sends him to the Nations with the Gospel … a Gospel with a fuller fleshed out revelation …

Israel is still God's, ... but on hold until God saves those in the Nations that are His …

That be you … me thinks, … a lost sinner like the rest of us, unless you reject that point. If you reject your lost state, you will have no appreciation for the mighty act of redemptive love displayed by God on Calvary's Cross …

Coming to this is not something you read in a work of literature, it is not something you work out on your own.

Rather, it is something that is worked out dealing with God.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

There, you have the recipe, … but not really, and that is the “Power” manifest by God to this age, because even in hearing it (reading it), you still don't hear it, ...unless God opens it to you …

Please, like the rest of, deal with God concerning your sin, and then deal with Him concerning His solution to that problem …

sincerely,

Willy

:tiphat:
I am sincerely grateful for your post, it was on target.
I am sorry but I disagree with your interpretation of Gods power.
According to some biblical interpretation of biblical verses God “could force” everyone to obey His commandments. I personally do not believe that is how God works.
First God singled out a group of people and called them His chosen.
God then gave them instructions on how they should live their lives.
God gave us the gift of choice.
That choice is ours to make, not Gods.
Humans are not puppets on a string
 

jdyson

Advanced Poster
1 Corinthians 15:1-11
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
:52a:
You are falsely claiming the statement "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures" is actually in scripture.
If it is, please provide the verse that states "Christ died for our sins"
Thanks in advance
 

Willy

Pro Poster
1 Corinthians 15:1-11
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
:52a:
You are falsely claiming the statement "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures" is actually in scripture.
If it is, please provide the verse that states "Christ died for our sins"
Thanks in advance
:popcorn:
 

jdyson

Advanced Poster
1 Corinthians 15:1-11
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
:52a:
You are falsely claiming the statement "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures" is actually in scripture.
If it is, please provide the verse that states "Christ died for our sins"
Thanks in advance
:popcorn:
No where in scripture is the statement according to the scriptures found.
 

Willy

Pro Poster
1 Corinthians 15:1-11
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
:52a:
You are falsely claiming the statement "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures" is actually in scripture.
If it is, please provide the verse that states "Christ died for our sins"
Thanks in advance
:popcorn:
No where in scripture is the statement according to the scriptures found.
1 Corinthians 15:1-11

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

:bonk1:
 

Willy

Pro Poster
1 Corinthians 15:1-11
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
:52a:
You are falsely claiming the statement "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures" is actually in scripture.
If it is, please provide the verse that states "Christ died for our sins"
Thanks in advance
:popcorn:
No where in scripture is the statement according to the scriptures found.
jdyson,

I am getting annoyed with you.

I'll ask you to address what it is you mean when you say the verse is not in Scripture.

To just repeat, “it is not in Scripture,” when the verse is given you, is not a coherent answer, and then to start another thread is inappropriate.

:bonk1:
 

Willy

Pro Poster
Galatians 1:1-12

1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

3 Grace [be] to you and peace from God the Father, and [from] our Lord Jesus Christ,

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.



Accursed … anathema

Definition:

a thing devoted to God without hope of being redeemed, and if an animal, to be slain; therefore a person or thing doomed to destruction
 
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