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In your view, what was/is the core theme of the Old Testament?

Gnostic Christian

Getting Started
Jesus chose to come to this earth and put on human flesh so He could die as a sacrifice for the redemption of mankind.
Betty
You continue to lie about Jesus.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

As you can see, he was chosen and did not choose.

I have given you the law Jesus taught about you needing to die for your own sin, but Satan has you way too deeply in her grasp.

Regards
DL
 

Gnostic Christian

Getting Started
The human flesh God took on died and was buried. God, the spirit within the flesh cannot die and went to Paradise. Later returned to resurrected flesh.
IOW, no God dies for us, just as Jesus taught.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Those of little faith will not follow the law Jesus taught.

Regards
DL
 

Gnostic Christian

Getting Started
The Price Paid For Sin,

Harry Ironside


The four accounts of the crucifixion taken together give us the full meaning of the work of the Cross.

Jesus is presented as enduring the shame and physical anguish inflicted upon Him by man for three awful hours. In that period He gave no evidence of perturbation of spirit.

He was in perfect communion with the Father, and manifested a tender concern for others, but there was no word of self-pity or commiseration for His own sufferings.

In the last three hours He was enduring the terrible ordeal of bearing the judgment our sins deserved.

His cry of loneliness is the key to the deeper suffering of those hours when God, the righteous Judge, had to abandon Him to the inward spiritual suffering as the Surety for sinners.

It was then His soul - not merely His body - was made an offering for sin.

Observe, it was the Lord, God Himself, who dealt with Christ in judgment when He hung upon
the tree.


Isaiah 53:10-11

10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.


11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.


It was not what man did to Him that made reconciliation for iniquity, but what He
endured at the hand of God, leading to Immanuel’s orphaned cry, “My God, My God, why hast
Thou forsaken Me?”

The Gospel is based upon what He endured on that Cross, and this message goes out to all who have
ears to hear.



“God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself”

:bible:
Literalist supernatural childish garbage.

Do you people recognize the words justice and moral?

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.
Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

Regards
DL
 

Willy

Pro Poster
I will not rewrite the Bible.

Deflection, … you are giving me the theologian, …the politician, … I need the sinner …

Fall on the Sword Core, … this is the time of your visitation, … Let God use His Sword on you, … that is the reality, the dynamite of God, not the fire-cracker gospel you have been taught by self proclaimed textual critics ...

They all do the work of the adversary, they diminish The Lord Jesus and His mighty work …


Even here, right now, the demons of hell work to deflect and diminish, … Puff, your ilk are a constant pain, when God goes to war to save a soul out of your grasp … you have nothing Puff, your ministrations are noted and logged, … loser …


Salvation is a point in time when things change, when dead people are brought back to life … God does that, it is not something you learn it is something you go through …

This is my last post on this topic unless you want more. I gave it my best for you, the rest is up to you …

Willy

:aww1:
 

Gnostic Christian

Getting Started
This is one view of why Jesus was crucified
https://tinyurl.com/27wfjkes

What is your view?
Just asking
Yahweh chose Jesus to die so that man could know that even God sins.

He sent Jesus to die, when a moral loving father would have stepped up himself. Right?

That is why Christians sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to God's plan.

We are to emulate God as scriptures say, and god is a sinner.

God is the greatest sinner possible. Do not dare put another's name above him and break the First Commandment.

You have all sung that hymn, right?

Regards
DL
 

Gnostic Christian

Getting Started
This is one view of why Jesus was crucified
https://tinyurl.com/27wfjkes

What is your view?
Just asking
If you know what a sop is and how, at the last supper, it honored Judas, who is chosen by Jesus to turn him in.

That honor, and the fact that Satan did not enter Judas till after he was selected by Jesus, shows how badly Jesus wanted to suicide and test the old messiah myth.

The Jews wanted to let him test it and that is shown when they take Jesus' death upon their heads.

They wanted the benefits if it worked.

Of course, it failed.

Regards
DL
 

Gnostic Christian

Getting Started
The Last Supper was a time for Jesus to be with the Disciples before His death. Judas is in hell
What does the sop that Jesus gave Judas represent?

Why did none of the other apostles act to stop Judas when they knew what he was about to do?

If you learn those two facts, you will understand the Last Super and why Jesus chose to have Judas betray him.

If you bother educating yourself, look at when Satan enters Judas in the bible.

Only after he accepts the sop and mission.

Regards
DL
 

Willy

Pro Poster
a moral loving father would have stepped up himself.

:popcorn:
You have no moral opinion?

Regards
DL

2 Corinthians 4:1-7

1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

:cross:
 

Gnostic Christian

Getting Started
a moral loving father would have stepped up himself.

:popcorn:
You have no moral opinion?

Regards
DL

2 Corinthians 4:1-7

1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

:cross:
So you would send your own child to die instead of manning up.

Nice that you follow a religion where you have to hate your gay or female children.

Do not question your disgusting beliefs of their morals.

Regards
DL
 
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