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How we think Jesus will return verses how he actually will return

Gnostic Christian

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Correct me if I am wrong, but NT scriptures suggest that our precious Lord and Savior will return in the clouds for The Church, first, thus sparing those that are already saved (just as Noah and his family were spared before the flood).

This (rapture) should occur once a peace agreement is in place with Palestine (which would allow Jewish people to rebuild the Temple) and then the 7 year tribulation will begin once this agreement is in place. The great tribulation will occur 42 months thereafter once the anti-christ breaks the agreement and professes to be Israel's messiah.

More on this topic with my next post.
Have you looked at the immorality of you abdicating your own responsibilities and using Jesus as your scapegoat?

You know Jesus taught better than that.

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.
Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.



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The Scriptures you quote are referring to earthlings, if you will, not our precious Lord and Savior.

Too, the Bible isn't a lie, either. However, you may be surprised to learn who has been weaving a tangled web of deception, which you may read here ...