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Discussion in 'General Talk' started by 2404, Oct 30, 2014.

  1. 2404

    2404 New Member

    With 3 dimensional space being a creation is it infinite?
  2. 2404

    2404 New Member

    The 'I AM" then existed outside any creation?
    The WORD was then His first expression in creation?
    St. John 1:3
    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    I understand that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are three expressions (offices) of the same person.

    Finally, "plural of majesty," which many attempt to use, didn't exist until about 1200AD. A Catholic invention referring to God and the Pope/King speaking as one.
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  3. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Administrator Staff Member

    That is Modalism, the idea of one being operating in 3 distinct offices . An old idea rejected from its conception.

    The Bible distinctly defines 3 individuals, not offices in a unity of one. Elohim. a Hebrew word, means 3 gods and when used with singulars means in singular unity of purpose. But it absolutely means 3 personages. It means 3 non-unity peonages when used with plurals.

    It is used with plurals in the OT when talking about pagan gods. It is used with singulars when talking about the true God.

    Same in the Greek, "In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" has the Greek word translated "the" before each. The word is only used to refer to individuals. So it denies Modalism.

    When God appeared to Abram, all three appeared, were called God, etc. But, Abraham spoke to them as a unified one.

    It says was with God and was God at the same time. You cannot be with someone if you are that someone.

    The Greek literally said the Word and God were in a face to face relationship. Two persons, not one.

    The Word became Flesh and came from the Father, not was part of the Father split off. Nor was God taking on another office.

    In Genesis 1, "Let us," not "Let me."

    The linguistics, history, etc all show three person working in a unity of one.

    A marriage is called becoming one flesh. That is a uniplural.

    The stem of grapes the Jews brought out of the promised land was called, "one grape.' Another uniplural.

    An army, council, committee etc are uniplurals. It is long understood concept.

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