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My question was concerning as to why the Trinitarian Translation itself is very manipulating and altering or changing the original message of the manuscript message
How is the Trinitarian translation very different from the original manuscript message ?
please notice - 1Co 15:28 from the translation
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
what the translation is saying that after all things shall be subdued unto Jesus then Jesus is going to be subdued or subjected to God -
then, at this time - God will take control of Jesus,
then, at this time - Jesus will be placed under the power and control of God ,
then, at this time - Jesus will become subordinate and inferior to God
when all things shall be subdued unto him, THEN shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
The question is
why would Jesus - THEN - at this time, suddenly need to be taken under control and placed under the power and become subordinate and inferior to God - if this is where he already exists, but he already has submitted to God in every way possible, he has already in all things been taken under the control and under the power and become subordinate and inferior to God, this does not make sense ! ? ? ?
but we find that again this passage is manipulated and mistranslated - this is not what the manuscripts are saying
Verse :28 - is saying in the original manuscripts -
Meaning in the original manuscripts
WHEN ALSO SUBMITTING HIM THIS ALL, THEN THE SON SUBUGATES THE SUBUGATED HIMSELF THIS ALL
FOR IS THE GOD THIS ALL IN ALL.
The manuscripts are not saying that “ at this time “ suddenly - Jesus is then and there taken under the control and placed under the power of God and suddenly become subordinate and inferior to God - he is being re - located and re - positioned to changing his reputation, status and rank and suddenly become beneath and subject to the Father –
But yet the truth is - he always has been and has never ceased to exist doing and being exactly this, this is complete foolishness.
the original manuscripts are saying
WHEN ALSO SUBMITTING HIM THIS ALL, THEN THE SON SUBUGATES THE SUBUGATED HIMSELF THIS ALL
FOR IS THE GOD THIS ALL IN ALL.
As he already has submitted to God in every way possible, he has already, in all things been taken under the control and under the power and become subordinate and inferior to God - the son has already SUBUGATED SURRENDERED himself yielded and submitted himself completely and PERFECTLY to the father and has not taken any other position at all whatsoever in any way -
we also notice in the translation
K.J.V - Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,,,, sat down on the right hand of God;
verse :13 FROM HENCEFORTH EXPECTING UNTILL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL.
This Greek word “ expecting “ is the word ἐκδέχομαι - ekdechomai - meaning = To accept, to await, To EXPECT, to look forward unto, to wait for. Here in the translation, the expectation of Jesus is that he himself is “ expecting “ that he will sit down ON the right hand of God - UNTIL his enemies be made his footstool.
Mar 12:36 Sit ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thy enemies thy footstool.
Luk 20:42 Sit thou ON my right hand, - UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Act 2:34 Sit thou ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thy foes thy footstool.
Heb 1:13 Sit ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool?
If the expectation of Jesus is that he will be accepting and “ expecting “ that he will sit down ON the right hand of God UNTIL his enemies be made his footstool, why do Trinitarians forever leave him sitting down ON the right hand of God
The trinitarian Translation expressly changes the original message to insert the narrative that Jesus is being removed from the glory and right hand of the throne because this is what the Trinity Doctrine was designed and invented to do -
The Trinity doctrine was established and instituted to present a Jesus who is this very second person of a Trinity Godhead - as second CO SPIRIT, a different spirit from the Father and Holy Spirit -
as second CO PERSON, a different person from the Father and Holy Spirit
as second CO EQUAL, different equaity from the Father and Holy Spirit
this is very exact purpose of the Trinity teaching, therefore, Trinitarian Jesus needs to exist as a numbered multiple person of God who moves up and down, backwards and forwards, on and off , in and out of authority and reputation concerning his very existence and position in the Godhead Trinity.
Look at Joh 17: :5 -
:5 - And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE the world was.
The Trinity Jesus, here - had all of this Glory with the father “ BEFORE THE WORLD WAS CREATED “ - and after the creation he suddenly lost all of his glory - and after the creation - HE SUDDENLY LOST ALL OF THIS GLORY ?
he then came to be born on earth – THEN HE RESURRECTS AND ASCENDS TO HEAVEN TO AGAIN RECEIVE AGAIN THE SAME GLORY " THAT HE HAD LOST, " FOR APROX 4000 YEARS - BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE EARTH.
But again, this is not what the manuscripts are saying in Joh 17: :5
but - here is the original message of the Greek manuscript.
:5 AND NOW GLORIFY ME YOU FATHER FROM YOURSELF, THE GLORY THAT I HAD BEFORE,
UNTO THE WORLD THAT IS FROM YOU.
- IN TRINITY - CAN TRINITARIANS HAVE A JESUS WHO RECEIVES THE SAME GLORY THAT HE HAD BEFORE HE WAS CONCEIVED AS ONLY BORN SON OF GOD ?
WHY DO TRINITARIANS NEED TO ALTER THE PASSAGE IN VERSE :5 - TO CHANGE IT TO SAY THAT JESUS IS RETURNING TO THE GLORY HE HAD 4000 YEARS AGO BEFORE THE WORLD WAS CREATED…….
:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE the world was.
Because in the Trinity, the pre existing son Jesus is to sit “ ON “ the right hand of the throne and is being re- positioned, re- located and changing his rank, status concerning his CO GODHEAD - SECOND PERSON OF TRINTY, he is being promoted, endorsed as a separate second Spirit Person / Being of the Godhead.
Therefore it is necessary to change and alter everything in the scriptures that does not fit the Trinity narrative and to also add to everything that can be manipulated to warp, twist and contort into a Trinity narrative
CHANGING THE VERY ORIGINAL MESSAGE THAT HE IS EXITING OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD UNTIL HIS ENEMIES ARE A FOOTSTOOL - THAT HE EXITS OUT OF GOD AND RETURNS BACK IN GOD and is forever TO DWELL IN THE RIGHT OF GOD
AND IS NEVER, EVER, EVER SAID TO DWELL “ ON - NOR - AT “ THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME IN THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS.
But is always, always said to be “ in and out “ of the right of God and “ in and out “ of the right of the throne “ as the Greek says exactly, without a single exception.
Because that he comes out of God and does not pre – exist in a Trinity Godhead as a second separate person or CO ETERNAL Spirt but is this not the same Spirit, Holy of God in Yahashua manifesting himself as the ANOINTING in the man The Anointing, Yahashua. ? ? ?
My question was concerning as to why the Trinitarian Translation itself is very manipulating and altering or changing the original message of the manuscript message
How is the Trinitarian translation very different from the original manuscript message ?
please notice - 1Co 15:28 from the translation
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
what the translation is saying that after all things shall be subdued unto Jesus then Jesus is going to be subdued or subjected to God -
then, at this time - God will take control of Jesus,
then, at this time - Jesus will be placed under the power and control of God ,
then, at this time - Jesus will become subordinate and inferior to God
when all things shall be subdued unto him, THEN shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
The question is
why would Jesus - THEN - at this time, suddenly need to be taken under control and placed under the power and become subordinate and inferior to God - if this is where he already exists, but he already has submitted to God in every way possible, he has already in all things been taken under the control and under the power and become subordinate and inferior to God, this does not make sense ! ? ? ?
but we find that again this passage is manipulated and mistranslated - this is not what the manuscripts are saying
Verse :28 - is saying in the original manuscripts -
οταν When - δε also - υποταγη - submitting - αυτω him - τα this - παντα all - τοτε then -
και also - αυτος he - ο the - υιος Son - υποταγησεται subugates - τω the - υποταξαντι subugated -
αυτω himself, - τα this - παντα all - ινα for - η is - ο the - θεος God - τα this -
παντα all - εν in - πασιν all.
και also - αυτος he - ο the - υιος Son - υποταγησεται subugates - τω the - υποταξαντι subugated -
αυτω himself, - τα this - παντα all - ινα for - η is - ο the - θεος God - τα this -
παντα all - εν in - πασιν all.
Meaning in the original manuscripts
WHEN ALSO SUBMITTING HIM THIS ALL, THEN THE SON SUBUGATES THE SUBUGATED HIMSELF THIS ALL
FOR IS THE GOD THIS ALL IN ALL.
The manuscripts are not saying that “ at this time “ suddenly - Jesus is then and there taken under the control and placed under the power of God and suddenly become subordinate and inferior to God - he is being re - located and re - positioned to changing his reputation, status and rank and suddenly become beneath and subject to the Father –
But yet the truth is - he always has been and has never ceased to exist doing and being exactly this, this is complete foolishness.
the original manuscripts are saying
WHEN ALSO SUBMITTING HIM THIS ALL, THEN THE SON SUBUGATES THE SUBUGATED HIMSELF THIS ALL
FOR IS THE GOD THIS ALL IN ALL.
As he already has submitted to God in every way possible, he has already, in all things been taken under the control and under the power and become subordinate and inferior to God - the son has already SUBUGATED SURRENDERED himself yielded and submitted himself completely and PERFECTLY to the father and has not taken any other position at all whatsoever in any way -
we also notice in the translation
K.J.V - Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,,,, sat down on the right hand of God;
verse :13 FROM HENCEFORTH EXPECTING UNTILL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE HIS FOOTSTOOL.
This Greek word “ expecting “ is the word ἐκδέχομαι - ekdechomai - meaning = To accept, to await, To EXPECT, to look forward unto, to wait for. Here in the translation, the expectation of Jesus is that he himself is “ expecting “ that he will sit down ON the right hand of God - UNTIL his enemies be made his footstool.
Mar 12:36 Sit ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thy enemies thy footstool.
Luk 20:42 Sit thou ON my right hand, - UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Act 2:34 Sit thou ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thy foes thy footstool.
Heb 1:13 Sit ON my right hand, UNTIL I make thine enemies thy footstool?
If the expectation of Jesus is that he will be accepting and “ expecting “ that he will sit down ON the right hand of God UNTIL his enemies be made his footstool, why do Trinitarians forever leave him sitting down ON the right hand of God
The trinitarian Translation expressly changes the original message to insert the narrative that Jesus is being removed from the glory and right hand of the throne because this is what the Trinity Doctrine was designed and invented to do -
The Trinity doctrine was established and instituted to present a Jesus who is this very second person of a Trinity Godhead - as second CO SPIRIT, a different spirit from the Father and Holy Spirit -
as second CO PERSON, a different person from the Father and Holy Spirit
as second CO EQUAL, different equaity from the Father and Holy Spirit
this is very exact purpose of the Trinity teaching, therefore, Trinitarian Jesus needs to exist as a numbered multiple person of God who moves up and down, backwards and forwards, on and off , in and out of authority and reputation concerning his very existence and position in the Godhead Trinity.
Look at Joh 17: :5 -
:5 - And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE the world was.
The Trinity Jesus, here - had all of this Glory with the father “ BEFORE THE WORLD WAS CREATED “ - and after the creation he suddenly lost all of his glory - and after the creation - HE SUDDENLY LOST ALL OF THIS GLORY ?
he then came to be born on earth – THEN HE RESURRECTS AND ASCENDS TO HEAVEN TO AGAIN RECEIVE AGAIN THE SAME GLORY " THAT HE HAD LOST, " FOR APROX 4000 YEARS - BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE EARTH.
But again, this is not what the manuscripts are saying in Joh 17: :5
but - here is the original message of the Greek manuscript.
:5 AND NOW GLORIFY ME YOU FATHER FROM YOURSELF, THE GLORY THAT I HAD BEFORE,
UNTO THE WORLD THAT IS FROM YOU.
:5 και And - νυν now - δοξασο glorify - με me - συ you - πατερ father - παρα from - σεαυτω yourself, - τη the - δοξη glory - η that - ειχον I had - προ before - του unto - τον the - κοσμο world - ειναι that is - παρα from - σοι you.
- IN TRINITY - CAN TRINITARIANS HAVE A JESUS WHO RECEIVES THE SAME GLORY THAT HE HAD BEFORE HE WAS CONCEIVED AS ONLY BORN SON OF GOD ?
WHY DO TRINITARIANS NEED TO ALTER THE PASSAGE IN VERSE :5 - TO CHANGE IT TO SAY THAT JESUS IS RETURNING TO THE GLORY HE HAD 4000 YEARS AGO BEFORE THE WORLD WAS CREATED…….
:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE the world was.
Because in the Trinity, the pre existing son Jesus is to sit “ ON “ the right hand of the throne and is being re- positioned, re- located and changing his rank, status concerning his CO GODHEAD - SECOND PERSON OF TRINTY, he is being promoted, endorsed as a separate second Spirit Person / Being of the Godhead.
Therefore it is necessary to change and alter everything in the scriptures that does not fit the Trinity narrative and to also add to everything that can be manipulated to warp, twist and contort into a Trinity narrative
CHANGING THE VERY ORIGINAL MESSAGE THAT HE IS EXITING OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD UNTIL HIS ENEMIES ARE A FOOTSTOOL - THAT HE EXITS OUT OF GOD AND RETURNS BACK IN GOD and is forever TO DWELL IN THE RIGHT OF GOD
AND IS NEVER, EVER, EVER SAID TO DWELL “ ON - NOR - AT “ THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD ANYWHERE AT ANY TIME IN THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS.
But is always, always said to be “ in and out “ of the right of God and “ in and out “ of the right of the throne “ as the Greek says exactly, without a single exception.
Because that he comes out of God and does not pre – exist in a Trinity Godhead as a second separate person or CO ETERNAL Spirt but is this not the same Spirit, Holy of God in Yahashua manifesting himself as the ANOINTING in the man The Anointing, Yahashua. ? ? ?