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First Church: Ephesus

Discussion in 'The Seven Churches of Revelation' started by CoreIssue, Jul 25, 2015.

  1. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Administrator Staff Member

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    They are commended but also there is a fault. They have forsaken (left) their first love.

    While they were doing a lot of the right things, they were not doing them for Christ, he had been removed from their priorities and focus.
    While commended, they are also rebuked.

    Here we already see the beginnings of moving away from the leadership and teachings of Christ to those of men. The start of denominations.

    We see a similar warning elesewhere.
     
  2. CTZonEdit

    CTZonEdit Site Administrator Staff Member

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    When it speaks of us having no divisions among us is that even possible, was it ever possible? Regarding the Gospel I would think there was a point in time where all were of one mind since they were right there before Christ himself. But now there are divisions over the Creation, and End-times, and even the Law.

    Are we supposed to be of one mind on every aspect of the bible, history and such or only as it pertains to salvation and the Gospel?
     
  3. CoreIssue

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    It is talking about who you listen to and accept as true doctrine.

    We see denominationalism at work in these verses. Instead of studying and listening to what God said in his Bible, they listen to what the denominational leaders are telling them to believe. They are only listening to what one or a few people say the Bible means, how it is to be read, etc.

    Lost is the ability to challenge, discuss, debate and use only the Bible to tell us what to believe.
    Of course the Gospel, salvation, future resurrection and few other things are noted as not up for debate in the NT. They are the core fundamentals we need to agree upon. There is no excuse to not be able to figure those out.

    The rest is subject to discussion and differences.

    But, even there doctrines vary. Salvation by works vs grace alone, in example.

    Eternal Security vs Conditional salvation deals with how much of a role you play in your salvation.

    So yes, there is plenty of room for not agreeing on certain things. But no room on others.

    There is no room for discussion on our being told to study and not just accept what a denomination tells you to believe.
    There is not time limit on what the verses say. And no reason we cannot all follow this today.

    Denominationalism is the surrender of of the need to study. An excuse.

    When you ask people what religion they are, you often hear Catholic, Baptist Pentacostal, etc. Not Christian.

    Or, when did you get that belief? They whip out their doctine, not the Bible.

    How many churches will not allow you to join if you do not pledge to believe in and support their doctrine?
     

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