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The true God no one can deny

jdyson

jdyson

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The true God no one can deny

Put yourself in a hypothetical frame of mine for just a moment
Imagine what humans would be like 2,000 years from today
Imagine we now travel the stars seeing what there is to see
Imagine we travel thru a galaxy and see a lifeless planet
A planet with air
A planet with water
A planet with mountains
A planet with valleys
A planet with no life to be found​
You decide to put some life where none could be seen
A seed to grow into a future un seen
Imagine 1,000 years later you return
Imagine you see life much like your own
What do you do?
Whisper some advice into their ear?
Give them a helping hand?
Imagine what you see is not what you intended it to be
God, if you hear me, we deserve a second chance
Wipe the slate clean?
Start it all over again?
He is back deciding our future
What do we do--?
 
Matthias

Matthias

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The true God is the God of Abraham. He can be denied only in the short-term.

What should we do? Believe the gospel and repent.
 
CoreIssue

CoreIssue

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John 1
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The Word Became Flesh​

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[b] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

a marriage is two people as one.

an army is many people as one.

Elohim is 3 as one.

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Understanding the Trinity: How Can God Be Three Persons in One? | Cru

While we cannot fully understand everything about the Trinity, it is possible to answer questions and come to a solid grasp of what it means for God to be three in one.
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Matthias

Matthias

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Point of agreement -> God cannot die.

Human persons die. However, in trinitarian theology, Jesus isn’t a human person.
 
Matthias

Matthias

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Matthias said:
The Messiah himself has a God. Is the Messiah’s own God the Trinity?
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The Messiah’s own God isn’t the Trinity. The Messiah himself tells us explicitly in scripture who his God and the God of his disciples is.

Those who believe in the Triune God believe in a deity which wasn’t, isn’t and never will be the Messiah’s own God.

Is that an issue for trinitarians? Typically it isn’t, but it was for me when I was a trinitarian.
 
Matthias

Matthias

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That should take care of any dispute concerning who the Messiah’s own God is. If it doesn’t, I’m not sure what more can be said about it.

What about the dispute concerning the trinitarian teaching -> that Jesus is not human person?

That particular dispute about the person of Jesus was the major focus of the Council of Chalcedon. In my experience, about 8 out of 10 trinitarians aren’t aware that this is what trinitarianism actually teaches us.
 
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