Muhammad's Koran

[Heather Frank]

I realize everyone else is being all sober and world affairs politico about the consequences of modern Islam, but at this point I'd just like to point out a really mundane literary fact about the Al Koran, which is that it's an unoriginal derivative highly condensed "Reader's Digest" type version of the Bible, printed in bite sized polemics referring beck to Old Testament incidents and God-Man interactions without either direct quotations or citations with attribution.

The "Al Quaran" is essentially a hodgepodge of polemic references to stories such as the flood of Noah and the stargazing of Abraham, with a howl and a scream from the alleged prophet that the audience has forgotten the tale. Liberally interspersed and interpolated into the plagiarized narrative are howling screeches about polytheism, who can and can't marry who and yells about riding to war instantly against anyone who doesn't believe in Muhammad and respect his illiterate foreshortened "box of talklelts" about the "prophets of old".

Forget, for a moment, all the high minded Phd in Theology and Divinity stuff about the separate covenant with Ishmael, and who is and isn't a prophet. The Al Koran is simply plagiarized, and in a deeply uneducated illiterate style at that.

 

[CoreIssue]

Mohammad created a blend of Persian polytheism and Catholicism to restore his royal power at the head of an army as a divine leader. He hated Catholicism.

 

[xhacker]

Having unfortunately read the Koran, it's not a pleasant read. Firstly it's not in chronological order, which makes it difficult to understand, secondly it contradicts itself - and needs something called abrogation (the later verses overwrite the older ones) to deal with this - that is again even more complicated by the lack of chronological order.A lot of the verses are nasty and violent, including a chapter on how to beat your wife - which might help to explain why women often have a terrible time in Islam.

 

[Heather Frank]

Mohammad created a blend of Persian polytheism and Catholicism to restore his royal power at the head of an army as a divine leader. He hated Catholicism.

You forgot to read the Koran. There is nothing in it about Polytheism, except the indications against polytheism. Once again, there is NO polytheism in Islam.

 

[CoreIssue]

Islamic roots of polytheism: Allah's Daughters: Lat, Uzza, and Manat. "Daughter-gate"

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[Heather Frank]

Polytheism doesn't have Islamic roots. Polytheism is rooted in pre–Islamic Arabism (the Zoroastrianism "discovered" and brought to the West by Fredrick Nietzche. If you want to find the roots of modern polytheism, you need to look into the beliefs of people like the Babylonian and Persian Dynasties, Xerxes and Daruis type enemies of Greece. Islam is a monotheism of a sort, emerging from the facts of Ishmel's blood descent from Abraham, which is still a secular fact of life that we can't rid of, in spite of any "spiritual" "facts" which may pertain.
Buddhism is also a radical "monotheism", which found its roots in Hinduism, a true polytheism if such a thing can exist, and it's eight paths to enlightenment and spiritual identity with the Buddha are the basis of modern western archetypal psychology.

 

[Heather Frank]

Having unfortunately read the Koran, it's not a pleasant read. Firstly it's not in chronological order, which makes it difficult to understand, secondly it contradicts itself - and needs something called abrogation (the later verses overwrite the older ones) to deal with this - that is again even more complicated by the lack of chronological order.A lot of the verses are nasty and violent, including a chapter on how to beat your wife - which might help to explain why women often have a terrible time in Islam.

I guess I can partially take that back. Since the Koran acknowledges that polytheism exits, there is polytheism in Islam in that sense, but the whole message of the book bitingly rails against it. Mohammadism, that takes serious historical and secular scholarship to really understand. Mohammadism is a kind of military secularist monotheism, you might not know what that means. It's from a region close to Russia, a country you may have heard mentioned in passing.

 

[Heather Frank]

Mohammad created a blend of Persian polytheism and Catholicism to restore his royal power at the head of an army as a divine leader. He hated Catholicism.

Mohammad had absolutely no idea what Catholicism was and would have been unable to comprehend such high-minded stuff that requires so much reading and study even if he has possessed a brain, and not been an ADHD moron. He was just a camel jockey who wanted territory and possessions in Spain, which also happened to be Catholic at the time he invaded it and took it over with the black African moors.

 

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[Heather Frank]

I don't read that the way you do. I actually see the word catholic as meaning nationalist (a word of Spanish origin). Yes, I understand why you dislike, and do not want to be around such people. Post Mussolini Italy has series problems. Many Italians who were loyal to families like Borgias, and artists like Da Vinci, were murdered. The world, yes, is "full of Anti-American Catholics. That an Italian might feel unhappy in the company of a foreign power is no different than that an American might feel so, that England feels so, or even, in a certain light, that a Southerner might feel oppressed by the occupation of the North, or that the Northerner might feel offended that his own region was disregarded in race issues (there are northern people who object to being made to stand aside for Africans, just as there are Southerners who believe that the north oppressed and betrayed them.)

In spite of all that, "the Catholics" didn't "make up Islam". Catholicism is just another word for nativism, as in, "where did your nativity occur?" or in Christian language usage "Where did The Nativity (birth of Christ) occur?"

Since all Arabs are Islamic, actually if you really want to be a Wheelock's pedant, Islam is the catholic religion of Arabia, and all Arabs are Catholics. However, none of them are as good at it as Cicero, Pliny, and Moi.

 

[CoreIssue]

Not Biblically in the Greek nor are all Arabs Muslims.

 

[xhacker]

Having unfortunately read the Koran, it's not a pleasant read. Firstly it's not in chronological order, which makes it difficult to understand, secondly it contradicts itself - and needs something called abrogation (the later verses overwrite the older ones) to deal with this - that is again even more complicated by the lack of chronological order.A lot of the verses are nasty and violent, including a chapter on how to beat your wife - which might help to explain why women often have a terrible time in Islam.

I guess I can partially take that back. Since the Koran acknowledges that polytheism exits, there is polytheism in Islam in that sense, but the whole message of the book bitingly rails against it. Mohammadism, that takes serious historical and secular scholarship to really understand. Mohammadism is a kind of military secularist monotheism, you might not know what that means. It's from a region close to Russia, a country you may have heard mentioned in passing.

Did you quote me by mistake? - I presume so - I never mentioned polytheism..

 

[Heather Frank]

Having unfortunately read the Koran, it's not a pleasant read. Firstly it's not in chronological order, which makes it difficult to understand, secondly it contradicts itself - and needs something called abrogation (the later verses overwrite the older ones) to deal with this - that is again even more complicated by the lack of chronological order.A lot of the verses are nasty and violent, including a chapter on how to beat your wife - which might help to explain why women often have a terrible time in Islam.

I guess I can partially take that back. Since the Koran acknowledges that polytheism exits, there is polytheism in Islam in that sense, but the whole message of the book bitingly rails against it. Mohammadism, that takes serious historical and secular scholarship to really understand. Mohammadism is a kind of military secularist monotheism, you might not know what that means. It's from a region close to Russia, a country you may have heard mentioned in passing.

Did you quote me by mistake? - I presume so - I never mentioned polytheism..

Sorry. I realize that this forum is supposed to be a civilized politico religious discussion. The "scene" is amazingly hostile in face-to-face street level interaction, and no one does very well online either. Some sites are just social, which is fine, but that's not a real religious debate (there are sites for friends and sites for formal dialogue).
It's mostly just "believe this". People think that because they have department of Education accredited degrees that they prima face know something, and that other people have to accept what they say as the absolute truth.
Most websites of every type are really exclusive. Think about Amazon dot com, it's commercial. If you don't have money to spend, you're basically just excluded, although they do also own Kindle, which contains almost 80000 free books. Craigslist was actually taken offline for social issues, too much solicitation for partners in crime, pirate sailor friends, and pornography.

 

[CoreIssue]

Having unfortunately read the Koran, it's not a pleasant read. Firstly it's not in chronological order, which makes it difficult to understand, secondly it contradicts itself - and needs something called abrogation (the later verses overwrite the older ones) to deal with this - that is again even more complicated by the lack of chronological order.A lot of the verses are nasty and violent, including a chapter on how to beat your wife - which might help to explain why women often have a terrible time in Islam.

I guess I can partially take that back. Since the Koran acknowledges that polytheism exits, there is polytheism in Islam in that sense, but the whole message of the book bitingly rails against it. Mohammadism, that takes serious historical and secular scholarship to really understand. Mohammadism is a kind of military secularist monotheism, you might not know what that means. It's from a region close to Russia, a country you may have heard mentioned in passing.

Did you quote me by mistake? - I presume so - I never mentioned polytheism..

Sorry. I realize that this forum is supposed to be a civilized politico religious discussion. The "scene" is amazingly hostile in face-to-face street level interaction, and no one does very well online either. Some sites are just social, which is fine, but that's not a real religious debate (there are sites for friends and sites for formal dialogue).
It's mostly just "believe this". People think that because they have department of Education accredited degrees that they prima face know something, and that other people have to accept what they say as the absolute truth.
Most websites of every type are really exclusive. Think about Amazon dot com, it's commercial. If you don't have money to spend, you're basically just excluded, although they do also own Kindle, which contains almost 80000 free books. Craigslist was actually taken offline for social issues, too much solicitation for partners in crime, pirate sailor friends, and pornography.

You're very contradictory. You talk of civilized discussion while at the same time personally attacking people who disagree with you.