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Marriage Supper of the Lamb

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A key issue of the Rapture that many attempt to ignore, explain away, simply reject, etc is God's use of the Jewish Marriage Custom as a model for the Rapture and Second Coming.

When one studies the parallels and what the Bible says on the matter, it is impossible to conclude anything other than the Rapture occurs at the beginning of the Tribulation Period and the Church cannot be found again, by any reference, until the Second Coming.

This is a real issue and problem for those into Replacement Theology. Literally stated, Israel returns as the Covenant People on the earth until the End of Time.

Yes, the Church is found at the Second Coming and during the Millennial Kingdom. But they are all in glorified bodies, not living flesh, as Israel and the Gentile nations remain.
THE EXAMINATION OF THE ANALOGY
(Jewish Wedding Custom)
Earlier it was stated that in His promise in John 14, Jesus drew an analogy from Jewish marriage customs inbiblical times. Now that the marriage customs have been considered, it is essential that the analogy be examined. In what ways was Jesus' promise analogous with Jewish marriage customs?

In the examination of the analogy the first thing that should be noted is the fact that the Scriptures regard the Church to be the Bride of Christ (Eph. 5:22-23). In addition, just as the Jewish bridegroom took the initiative in marriage by leaving his father's house and traveling to the home of the prospective bride, so Jesus left his Father's house in heaven and traveled to earth, the home of His prospective Church, over 1900 years ago.

In the same manner as the Jewish bridegroom came to the bride's home for the purpose of obtaining her through the establishment of a marriage covenant, so Jesus came to earth for the purpose of obtaining the Church through the establishment of a covenant. On the same night in which Jesus made His promise in John 14 He instituted communion. As He passed the cup of wine to His disciples, He said: "This cup is the new covenant in my blood." (NASV, 1 Cor. 11:25). This was His way of saying that He would establish a new covenant through the shedding of His blood on the cross.

Parallel to the custom of the Jewish groom paying a price to purchase his bride, Jesus paid a price to purchase His Bride, the Church. The price that He paid was His own life blood. It was because of this purchase price that Paul wrote the following to members of the Church: "do you not know... that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body". (NASV, 1 Cor. 6:19-20).

Analogous with the Jewish bride being declared to be sanctified or set apart exclusively for her groom once te marriage covenant was established, the Church has been declared to be sanctified or set apart exclusively for Christ (Eph. 5:25-27; 1 Cor. 1:2, 6:11; Heb. 10:10; 13:12).

In the same way that a cup of wine served as a symbol of marriage covenant through which the Jewish groom obtained his bride, so the cup of communion serves as the symbol of the covenant through which Christ has obtained the Church (1 Cor. 11:25).

Just as the Jewish groom left the home of his bride and returned to his father's house after the marriage covenant had been established, so Jesus returned to His Father's house in heaven after He had established the new covenant and risen from the dead (John 6:62; 20:17).

In correspondence with the period of separation between the Jewish groom and bride, Christ has remained separate from the Church for over 1900 years. The Church is now living in that period of separation.

Parallel to the custom of the Jewish groom preparing living accommodations for his bride in his father's house during the time of separation, Christ has been preparing living accommodations for the Church in His Father's house in heaven during His separation from His Bride (John 14:20).

In the same manner as the Jewish groom came to take his bride to live with him at the end of the period of separation, so Christ will come to take the Church to live with Him at the end of His period of separation from the Church (John 14:3).

Just as the taking of the Jewish bride was accomplished by a procession of the groom and male escorts from the groom's father's house to the home of the bride, so the taking of the Church will be accomplished by a procession of Christ and an angelic escort from Christ's Father's house in heaven to the home of the Church (1 Thess. 4:16).

Analogous with the Jewish bride not knowing the exact time of the groom's coming for her the Church does not know the exact time of Christ's coming for her.

In the same way that the Jewish groom's arrival was preceded by a shout, so Christ's arrival to take the Church will be preceded by a shout (1 Thess. 4:16).

Similar to the Jewish bride's return with the groom to his father' house after her departure from her home, the Church will return with Christ to His Father's house in heaven after she is snatched from the earth to meet Him in the air (1 Thess. 4:17; John 14:2-3).

In the same manner as the Jewish wedding party found wedding guests assembled in the groom's father's house when they arrived, so Christ and the Church will find the souls of old Testament saints assembled in heaven when they arrive. These souls will serve as the wedding guests.

Parallel to the custom of the Jewish groom and bride entering into physical union after their arrival at the groom's father's house, thereby consummating the marriage that had been covenanted earlier, Christ and the Church will experience spiritual union after their arrival at His Father's house in heaven, thereby consummating their relationship that had been covenanted earlier.

In correspondence with the Jewish bride remaining hidden in the bridal chamber for a period of seven days after arrival at the groom's father's house, the Church will remain hidden for a period of seven after arrival at Christ's Father's house in heaven. While the seven year Tribulation Period is taking place on the earth, the Church will be in heaven totally hidden from the sight of those living on the earth.

Just as the Jewish groom brought his bride out of the bridal chamber at the conclusion of the seven days with her veil removed, so that all could see who his bride was, so Christ will bring the Church out of heaven in His Second Coming at the conclusion of the seven year Tribulation Period in full view of all who are alive, so that all can see who the true Church is (Col. 3:4).

Written by,
Dr. Renald Showers, Chairman of the Pastoral Studies Dept.
Philadelphia College of Bible (year unknown)
Distributed by,
The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, Inc., W. Collingswood, N.J.

"Therefore, be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. Matt 24:42

For this reason you be ready too; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will!
 
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John logan

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Won't the 144,000 virgins left be the church? The bible says a few will attain redemption of sin during the tribulation.
 

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The Church is gone, raptured. Israel has returned as covenant via the New Covenant to the Houses of Israel and Judah. There are 12,000 each from the 12 Tribes of Israel.

The AC cannot be revealed until the Holy Spirit/Restrainer is removed. The Holy Spirit indwells those in the Church.

The Church is the Bride of Christ. Israel is the Wife of God the Father. The Body of Christ has two heirs, the Church and Israel.

There are many verses clearly showing the distinction between Church and Israel.
 

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This talks about the Falling Away followed by the removal of the Holy Spirit at the Rapture, the revealing of AC and so on during the Trib. The Rapture, 1st Seal, Two Witnesses, etc begin the Trib.

It says the Second Coming will not until all the rest of these things happen. The

The Trib is God's Wrath, all of it. Some make the mistake of saying it is only part of the Trib. But the Bowls are said to be the completion of the wrath, not the beginning.
2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
 

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People who will turn to Christ in the first half of the Trib.

People have come to God since Adam. There is the Law of Conscience, revelation by the Jews the Prophets, the NT, etc. The Holy Spirit and angels speaking to people in various ways.

God provides a way for all the be saved. No one who stands before him at the While Throne Judgement will have an excuse.

Missionaries found new tribes etc that had never heard the Gospel or seen a Bible. But there were always some that recognized God when they preached.

The notion the Church is the only way to Christ in history is false.
 

John logan

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I believe the earth was one land before God split it up with language and water so all began with a knowledge of God almighty. Jesus Christ is the only way to God
 

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Sorry, but that statement is not clear in meaning, except for the one land and language, which I covered in other forums..

Knowledge of God and his plan was vague to unknown, even for the angels. It has been revealed over time with even more yet to be revealed per Revelation. Even Christ was a Mystery.

Per prophecy the world as a whole knowing about Christ didn't happen until less than a century ago.

By the Law of Conscience, most who have lived only knew there was a god. But the majority did not embrace the One True God.

Contrary to what many think, the Church did not exist before the Resurrection. The Mosaic Law didn't exist before Moses. There was no division of Jew and Gentile before Abram became Abraham.
 

Jessie

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what of those who have had the chance to listen to the gospel before the rapture and are left?
my understanding is they will fall for the great delusion.
 

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Many do and entire the Trib. But, in the Trib some will wake up and be the martyrs at Mid-Trib, in example. Some others will reach accountability and turn to Christ.
 

Jessie

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not sure what you mean...
is it possible that those who have not accepted the Lord and enter into the trib missing the rapture STILL have a possibility of being saved?
 

CoreIssue

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Yep. No one is beyond salvation unless they blaspheme the Holy Spirit or take the Mark of the Beast.
 

Jessie

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2 Thessalonians 2
King James Bible
The Man of Sin

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth

how does this play into it?
 

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First of all the KJV is not very clear in meaning for most. It is not written in today's English and the meaning of many words have changed over time.
2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessnessa]" is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
There were false preachers, Christs and teachers saying Christ had already returned. It scared many in this church.

This simple says the Second Coming, the gathering of Israel to Christ, etc will not happen until all these other things happen. Meaning the Falling Away, Rapture, revealing of the AC, Trib, etc.

The Day of the Lord begins at the Rapture and finishes at the end of time. I did a full thread on that topic.

As for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, while all of these things are going on during the Trib is when the Marriage Supper is taking place. The Rapture kicks it off and the Second Coming ends it.

This links with the 6th and 7th churches of Revelation. The 6th church is the one that will be raptured. The 7th cast into the Trib.

Remember, at this time these issue were new and just being taught. It was hard for Christians to get their heads around it all since the Church was very young and growing.

There were already demonically inspired false teachings out there to prepare for the AC. In the Fallinjg Away it has grown dramatically and we see it in so-called Christian churches all around us.

Obedience to God is being replaced by obedience to the world and flesh.
 

Jessie

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thank you for breaking that down! so that basically is "the day of the Lord" not the rapture
gives hope!

and absolutely obedience to God has been replaced.... I just shake my head at what some do and think they can do both which in reality they are not
 

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Well, the Rapture is part of the DOTL. The Resurrection gives us hope, the Rapture unites and glorifies us and the Supper gives us reward, and fulfillment.

What happens on the earth does not involve any of us until the Second Coming when we, the Bride, is revealed.
 
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