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Is belief in the Trinity necessary for salvation?

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Would you consider that the Translations does not express Jesus as existing " previously " as only prophetic promise and not the second person of the Trinity

Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but NOW commandeth all men every where to repent:

if The Old Testament believers were worshiping the Trinity Godhead in a manner that was incorrect and false, how then did Jesus exist " previously " as only prophetic promise and not the second person of the Trinity Godhead ?

The Translation is claiming that God had allowed people to incorrectly worship and disregard the true worship and teaching that - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit existed in three persons in one GODHEAD / TRINITY

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but NOW commandeth all men every where to repent: - repent for incorrectly thinking that the godhead / trinity was as art and man's device.

How could someone mistakenly or falsely worship something that was never revealed to them or that they never heard of ?

The Trinitarian Translation presents a second person who already pre existed - who is not coming OUT of God, but who already exists in heaven with God and is being re - positioned, re - located and moving from one existing position to another, who is being PROMOTED to be seated literally beside { AT or ON } the throne or AT the right hand of God.

The manuscript says - sit OUT OF my right - Sit IN my right

while the Translation says sit AT / ON my right hand

The Translation attempts to invent a Trinitarian Jesus who already exists in heaven, who is not exiting OUT of God to sit IN the right of God - but he, the Son already exists and is here being promoted and re - located, re - positioned, to sit " ON " beside the throne of the father.

does that make sense ?
 
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The exact Phrase “ Holy Spirit “ exists 96 total times in the Trinitarian Translation - “ kjv

Yet,- - it only exists - -- 12 - -- total times in the Manuscripts, lets look at these manuscripts .

Here is a
Trinitarian mistranslation, - - - - Eph 1:13 sealed with that “ Holy Spirit “ of promise,

Here is - Original manuscript
Eph 1:13
:13 εσφραγισθητε SEALED - - - τω WITH - - - πνευματι THE SPIRIT - - - της BY THE - επαγγελιας PROMISE - - - τω THAT IS - - - αγιω HOLY

SEALED WITH THE SPIRIT
BY A PROMISE THAT IS HOLY

Again - Here is - Trinitarian mistranslation - - - - 1Th 4:8 God, who hath also given unto us his “ Holy Spirit “

Here is - Original manuscripts
:8 θεον GOD - τον WHOM - και ALSO - δοντα HAS GIVEN - το THE - πνευμα SPIRIT - αυτου HIMSELF,, - το OF THE - αγιον HOLY - εις UNTO - ημας US

GOD
- WHOM - ALSO - HAS GIVEN - THE - SPIRIT - HIMSELF,, - OF THE - HOLY - UNTO - US

In - Mat 12:31, the Catholic Translators did not add or insert the word Holy “ - to pretend it says Holy Spirit Holy - - does not even exist in Mat 12:31 -

the wor
d Holy was added or inserted by the Protestants in the K.J.V

Mat 12:31 Blaspheme against theSpirit not Holy Spirit

96 total times the Trinitarians have - The “ HOLY - SPIRIT “ in their Translation. Yet, in the Greek Manuscripts - the exact phraseHOLY SPIRIT / Ghost “ this exact phrase only appears 12 total times in the entire Manuscripts.

Here are the 12 total times where the Manuscripts say - - “ αγιω
The Holy - πνευματι Spirit
αγιω πνευματι
Mat 28:19 baptizing them in the name of ……..the Holy Spirit
Luk 12:10
him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit
Luk 12:12
For the Holy Spirit shall teach you
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you:
Act 2:33 the promise of the Holy Spirit
Act 2:38
Repent, and be baptized ………… ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit
Act 9:31
in the comfort of the Holy Spirit
Act 10:45
on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit
Act 15:28
For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit
Act 16:6
they were forbidden of the Holy Spirit to preach the word in Asia
1Co 6:19 your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit
2Co 13:14
the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.

The rest of the
New and OLD Testament do not sayHoly Spirit
These 48 passages saySPIRIT - HOLY in Greek = πνευματι Spirit - αγιω Holy

πνευματι αγιω
Mat 1:18 Mary - found with child of the “
Spirit - Holynot - the Holy Spirit
Mat 1:20 Mary - conceived in her is of the “ Spirit - Holynot – the Holy Spirit
Mat 3:11 baptize you with the Spirit - Holynot - the Holy Spirit
Mar 1:8 he shall baptize you with the “ Spirit Holynot - the Holy Spirit
Luk 1:15 shall be filled with the “ Spirit Holynot - the Holy Spirit
Luk 1:35 the “ Spirit Holy “ shall come upon thee - not - the Holy Spirit
Luk 1:41 Elisabeth was filled with the Spirit Holynot - the Holy Spirit
Luk 1:67 Zacharias was filled with the “ Spirit Holynot - the Holy Spirit

Also, the same - Luk 2:25, Luk 2:26, Luk 3:16, Luk 4:1 Luk 11:13, Joh 1:33, Joh 7:39, Joh 20:22, Act 1:2, Act 1:5, Act 4:8, Act 4:31, Act 7:55, Act 8:15, Act 8:17, Act 8:19, Act 9:17, Act 10:38, Act 11:16, Act 13:4, Act 13:9, Act 13:52, Act 19:2, Rom 5:5, Rom 9:1, Rom 14:17, Rom 15:13 Rom 15:16, 1Co2:13, 1Co 12:3, 2Co 6:6, 1Th 1:5, 1Th 1:6, 2Ti 1:14, Tit 3:5, Heb 2:4, Heb 6:4, 1Pe 1:12, 2Pe 1:21, Jud 1:20.
not - the Holy Spirit

These following “ 30 “ passages say SPIRIT OF THE HOLY

πνευμα SPIRIT - το OF THE - αγιο ν HOLY
not - “ Holy Spirit “

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit
Mar 13:11 for it is not ye that speak, but the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit
Mat 12:32 speak against the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit
Mar 3:29 blaspheme against the “ Spirit of the Holy “ - not - the Holy Spirit

Also the same, in - Mar 3:29, Luk 3:22, Joh 14:26, Act 1:16, Act 2:4, Act 5:3, Act 5:32, Act 6:3, Act 6:5, Act 7:51, Act 8:18, Act 10:44, Act 10:47, Act 11:15, Act 11:24, Act 13:2, Act 15:8, Act 19:6, Act 20:23, Act 20:28, Act 21:11, Act 28:25, Eph 4:30, Heb 3:7, Heb 9:8, Heb 10:15
not - “ Holy Spirit “

The Trinitarians transpose and switch the words around, SWITCHING and MOVING - ADDING AND DELETING WORDS - also switching the word Holy before the word Spirit - to pretend to explain Holy Spirit is a third person in the Gospel.

In the Old Testament, Trinitarians pretend that the phrase HOLY SPIRIT exists 3 total times.
Psa 51:11, Isa 63:10, Isa 63:11 - yet, all of these passages say - IN HEBREW MANUSCRIPTS simply .......... -

........
ורוח SPIRIT - קדשׁך OF THE HOLY " ---- and never once, is the phrase, Holy Spirit ‘ EVER EVEN ONCE mentioned in the Old testament -

- the phrase
‘ Holy Spirit is only mentioned 12 times in the New Testament Bible Manuscripts, the other 84 times it is mentioned as ‘ Spirit OF THE Holy or as The SPIRIT HOLY ‘

When “ Holy Spirit “ only exists 12 total times in the entire Bible. And never is “ Holy Spiritmentioned even once in the entire Old Testament manuscript.

It is - The Spirit Of The Holy

Friends, please - Think of it,
the phrase, " Holy Spirit " does not even exist in the manuscripts of the Old Testament.

And in the New, out of the nearly 100 instances that the Spirit of God is mentioned, only in 12 instances are termed as " Holy Spirit " in the entire New Testament. Of the other nearly 90 instances, it is simply - the Spirit Of The Holy - and not the " Holy Spirit "

the manuscripts completely destroy the false doctrine that the Spirit of God is a third separate person of a trinity.

Is not this third separate person - a person who Trinitarians do not know whom is the name of the " Holy Spirit " because the Bible does not give a different, separate name to a third person called the " Holy Spirit " it does not exist in the manuscripts.

The fact that the Trinitarian Translators literally deleted words, added words and switched words around to insert the phrase " HOLY SPIRIT " into the
translation in nearly 90 verses when only 12 total verses actually phrase the term " Holy Spirit. This shows that the Holy Spirit is not a Person but is a description

The Spirit Holy - and - the Spirit Of The Holy is how nearly 90 passages render the Spirit Of God - only 12 passages describe the spirit as " Holy Spirit " Yet Trinitarians alter these nearly 90 passages to literally insert and add and change the message to represent a third person of a trinity that literally has
no name and no existence in the manuscript.


this person called " HOLY SPIRIT " does not even exist even once in the Old Testament. They had to switch the words pretending to have translated the Bible.
 
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