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revelation 12

Discussion in 'Rapture Beliefs' started by Jessie, Jan 5, 2015.

  1. Jessie

    Jessie Pro Poster

    could this chapter be broke down in time periods?

    thanks! need some help understanding this one.
  2. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Administrator Staff Member

    That is one of the most debated chapters, so a good one for discussion.

    The woman is Israel. Using descriptives of the OT Israel is called the wife of the the First Person of the Trinity (Father in NT) and he clothes her in radiant garments and bejeweled with nose rings, ear rings, etc.

    This imagery is also found in Genesis 37. Jacob (renamed Israel) is the sun, Rachel, wife if Israel, is the moon and the stars are the sons of Israel (the tribes).

    So, in the time line this is the beginning of Israel while all these people were still alive.
    This is still about Israel, not Mary. But it moves the time lime forward to the time of Mary.
    Now the time line move forward to the birth of Christ and introduces Satan.

    To do so, it goes back in history to before Adam and talks of the war in heaven and the casting down of the angels who rebelled into the Pit as found in Jude.

    It includes the efforts to kill Christ at his birth and the Resurrection of Christ, where he now waits for his future rule of the earth.
    It moves the Israel time line forward, showing Satan trying to stop the rule of Christ by destroying Israel. No Israel means no Millennial Kingdom rule, leaving Satan in power and on the earth.

    But, at Mid Trib, believing Israel is led to a place of safety until the Second Coming.
    Now the history of Satan is given.

    Back to the ancient war where the angels who rebelled were cast down. But we know, per Jude, they are in the Pit, not in Heaven, so the war is already done.

    So, yes, Satan was cast down back then, the earth was destroyed and Eve deceived. But we also know the Bible, says Satan went back to Heaven to stand before God's throne working against the saints.
    This is Mid Trib since his time is stated to be 3.5 years and we are told that the woman is protected for 3.5 years as well.
    The 144,000 chose 12,000 from each tribe to rule alongside Christ plus the rest of believing Israel, which is not many, are safe. But the non believers are not and their is a slaughter in the last 3.5 years in the Trib.

    Chapter 13 on talks abut the Anti-Trinity, death of the two witnesses, etc.

    It is a hard chapter to understand as written. It does require getting some clarifications from other parts of the Bible.

    Satan tried to take over heaven. Failing that, take over the earth by corrupting Man, killing Christ at birth, tempting him to sin, taking his life, destroying Israel and more.

    His choices are to defeat God's plan or spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

    I hope that helps.
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2015
  3. Jessie

    Jessie Pro Poster

    yes that helps!

    the war with michael I was always under the impression it was future not past.

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