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Marriage Super of the Lamb

Discussion in 'Marriage Super of the Lamb' started by CoreIssue, Jan 29, 2014.

  1. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Administrator Staff Member

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    A key issue of the Rapture that many attempt to ignore, explain away, simply reject, etc is God's use of the Jewish Marriage Custom as a model for the Rapture and Second Coming.

    When one studies the parallels and what the Bible says on the matter, it is impossible to conclude anything other than the Rapture occurs at the beginning of the Tribulation Period and the Church cannot be found again, by any reference, until the Second Coming.

    This is a real issue and problem for those into Replacement Theology. Literally stated, Israel returns as the Covenant People on the earth until the End of Time.

    Yes, the Church is found at the Second Coming and during the Millennial Kingdom. But they are all in glorified bodies, not living flesh, as Israel and the Gentile nations remain.
     
  2. clark thompson

    clark thompson Advanced Poster

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    I am looking forward to this day.
     
  3. Shanie

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    Oh yes! I am so excited about this day!
     
  4. John logan

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    Won't the 144,000 virgins left be the church? The bible says a few will attain redemption of sin during the tribulation.
     
  5. CoreIssue

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    The Church is gone, raptured. Israel has returned as covenant via the New Covenant to the Houses of Israel and Judah. There are 12,000 each from the 12 Tribes of Israel.

    The AC cannot be revealed until the Holy Spirit/Restrainer is removed. The Holy Spirit indwells those in the Church.

    The Church is the Bride of Christ. Israel is the Wife of God the Father. The Body of Christ has two heirs, the Church and Israel.

    There are many verses clearly showing the distinction between Church and Israel.
     
  6. Jessie

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    2nd thess. 2:3 is that referring the Gods wrath?
     
  7. CoreIssue

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    This talks about the Falling Away followed by the removal of the Holy Spirit at the Rapture, the revealing of AC and so on during the Trib. The Rapture, 1st Seal, Two Witnesses, etc begin the Trib.

    It says the Second Coming will not until all the rest of these things happen. The

    The Trib is God's Wrath, all of it. Some make the mistake of saying it is only part of the Trib. But the Bowls are said to be the completion of the wrath, not the beginning.
     
  8. Jessie

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    so that is where people are getting mid trib then?
     
  9. CoreIssue

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    People who will turn to Christ in the first half of the Trib.

    People have come to God since Adam. There is the Law of Conscience, revelation by the Jews the Prophets, the NT, etc. The Holy Spirit and angels speaking to people in various ways.

    God provides a way for all the be saved. No one who stands before him at the While Throne Judgement will have an excuse.

    Missionaries found new tribes etc that had never heard the Gospel or seen a Bible. But there were always some that recognized God when they preached.

    The notion the Church is the only way to Christ in history is false.
     
  10. John logan

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    I believe the earth was one land before God split it up with language and water so all began with a knowledge of God almighty. Jesus Christ is the only way to God
     
  11. CoreIssue

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    Sorry, but that statement is not clear in meaning, except for the one land and language, which I covered in other forums..

    Knowledge of God and his plan was vague to unknown, even for the angels. It has been revealed over time with even more yet to be revealed per Revelation. Even Christ was a Mystery.

    Per prophecy the world as a whole knowing about Christ didn't happen until less than a century ago.

    By the Law of Conscience, most who have lived only knew there was a god. But the majority did not embrace the One True God.

    Contrary to what many think, the Church did not exist before the Resurrection. The Mosaic Law didn't exist before Moses. There was no division of Jew and Gentile before Abram became Abraham.
     
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    what of those who have had the chance to listen to the gospel before the rapture and are left?
    my understanding is they will fall for the great delusion.
     
  14. CoreIssue

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    Many do and entire the Trib. But, in the Trib some will wake up and be the martyrs at Mid-Trib, in example. Some others will reach accountability and turn to Christ.
     
  15. Jessie

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    not sure what you mean...
    is it possible that those who have not accepted the Lord and enter into the trib missing the rapture STILL have a possibility of being saved?
     
  16. CoreIssue

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    Yep. No one is beyond salvation unless they blaspheme the Holy Spirit or take the Mark of the Beast.
     
  17. Jessie

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    2 Thessalonians 2
    King James Bible
    The Man of Sin

    1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth

    how does this play into it?
     
  18. CoreIssue

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    First of all the KJV is not very clear in meaning for most. It is not written in today's English and the meaning of many words have changed over time.
    There were false preachers, Christs and teachers saying Christ had already returned. It scared many in this church.

    This simple says the Second Coming, the gathering of Israel to Christ, etc will not happen until all these other things happen. Meaning the Falling Away, Rapture, revealing of the AC, Trib, etc.

    The Day of the Lord begins at the Rapture and finishes at the end of time. I did a full thread on that topic.

    As for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, while all of these things are going on during the Trib is when the Marriage Supper is taking place. The Rapture kicks it off and the Second Coming ends it.

    This links with the 6th and 7th churches of Revelation. The 6th church is the one that will be raptured. The 7th cast into the Trib.

    Remember, at this time these issue were new and just being taught. It was hard for Christians to get their heads around it all since the Church was very young and growing.

    There were already demonically inspired false teachings out there to prepare for the AC. In the Fallinjg Away it has grown dramatically and we see it in so-called Christian churches all around us.

    Obedience to God is being replaced by obedience to the world and flesh.
     
  19. Jessie

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    thank you for breaking that down! so that basically is "the day of the Lord" not the rapture
    gives hope!

    and absolutely obedience to God has been replaced.... I just shake my head at what some do and think they can do both which in reality they are not
     
  20. CoreIssue

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    Well, the Rapture is part of the DOTL. The Resurrection gives us hope, the Rapture unites and glorifies us and the Supper gives us reward, and fulfillment.

    What happens on the earth does not involve any of us until the Second Coming when we, the Bride, is revealed.
     

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