How rare is the Revelation 12 Heavenly sign [23 September 2017] Once in 7000 years

[revcheleven]

Revelation 12v1&2 - [KJV]
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Firstly if you have never heard of this sign let me explain...

1. The wonder is in Heaven - which Heaven? The First Heaven, the Second Heaven or the Third Heaven. The 1st Heaven is where the birds fly. The 2nd Heaven where the celestial bodies are. And the 3rd Heaven is where God resides. [See Genesis 1v7&14&20 & 2 Corinthians 12v2]. Since it refers to the Sun, the Moon and the Stars we know it must be in the Second Heaven.

   Genesis 1v7 - [KJV] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

   Thus turning the single Heaven from Genesis 1v1 into 2 Heavens.

   Genesis 1v14 - [KJV] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

   Genesis 1v20 - [KJV] And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

   2 Corinthians 12v2 - [KJV] I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; such an one caught up to the third heaven.

   The noting of the Third Heaven in this verse infers that there are two other Heavens previously noted in the Bible.
2. Who is the Woman in the Second Heaven? We know from Rev 12v5 that she is the mother of someone who will rule with a rod of iron. We know that this child is metaphorically Jesus because of....

   Rev 2v27 - [KJV] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

   Revelation 12v5 - [KJV] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne

   This makes the Woman a Virgin since Jesus Mother Mary was also a virgin.
3. The Mazzaroth is the Hebrew word for constellation and occurs first in the book of Job which is the oldest book of the bible.

   Job 38v32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? - [KJV]

   Note that it is God speaking not Job. It would seem God has a particular purpose with the celestial bodies as the first reason mentioned in Genesis 1v14 is for signs.

   Genesis 1v14 - [KJV] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

4. The constellation known as Virgo (Latin for Virgin) is therefore a good fit for the celestial Woman in the 2nd Heaven.
5. Once a year the Sun moves alongside Virgo and "clothes the woman".
6. Once every 19 years the moon is at the feet of the constellation.
7. Once every 12 years Jupiter moves through the constellation but only once every 83 years does it via retrograde motion gyrate through Virgo's Womb for a period equivalent to 9.5 months. This 9.5 months is symbolic of human pregnancy. No other planet does this. Jupiter is known as the King planet (Jesus who is yet to become King on Earth is therefore represented by this planet). This planets motions are therefore a good fit for...

   Revelation 12v2 - [KJV] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

8. Mercury, Mars and Venus often move through this region but very rarely do they all align with the star Regulus.
9. Leo is the constellation that is above Virgo with 9 fixed stars. Planets (planētēs) are known as wondering stars. This means that Mercury, Mars and Venus and the 9 stars of Leo make up the 12 stars crowning her head.

   Revelation 12v1 - [KJV] ....and upon her head a crown of twelve stars

Since all of these alignments require a great deal of timing it is therefore called a "wonder" in Revelation 12v1. I have recently done an analysis of this sign checking all of Man's History from Adam until the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ (from 4200BC to 3200AD). If you would like to understand more please watch my 15 minute You-Tube video.

 

[CoreIssue]

You are parsing the verses to take it somewhere it does not go.So look at the full context: Yet again, the KJV is not translated correctly.

Revelaton 12
The Woman, Israel
1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2 and she was with child ; and she cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.
The Red Dragon, Satan
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems. 4 And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.
The Male Child, Christ
5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

It does not say "wonder" in the Greek, it says "sign." A very different word and meaning.

Original Word Word Origin
shmei'on from a presumed derivative of the base of (4591)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Semeion 7:200,1015
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
say-mi'-on Noun Neuter
Definition

1. a sign, mark, token
   1. that by which a person or a thing is distinguished from others and is known
   2. a sign, prodigy, portent, i.e. an unusual occurrence, transcending the common course of nature
      1. of signs portending remarkable events soon to happen
      2. of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God's

No way the sign described is a constellation. No constellation looks like that Woman. Plus, it is not a recurring sign, but a one time event.

The woman is Israel. The 12 stars are the Tribes of Israel. Christ was born of Israel.

When born Satan indeed tried to kill Christ, just as he also tried to destroy Israel.

In Revelation he again tries to destroy Israel, but Israel was led to safety at Mid Trib for 3.5 years, until the Second Coming. I believe the place is Petra. If perfectly fits all the requirements.

In the OT Israel is described as the beautiful adorned Wife of the Father.

You keep trying to do date setting. God said you cannot. Only the Father knows, per the verse you keep trying to explain away, but cannot.

 

[revcheleven]

From your definition...

2. of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God's

 

[CoreIssue]

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From your definition...

2. of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God's

Again you parse. That is what it can be a sign of, not the sign itself. The word means sign, not wonder.

The sign is the appearance of the Woman, the sign of Israel, not a constellation.

No constellation looks like that. When the sun is out you cannot see the stars or the moon.

 

[revcheleven]

Plus, it is not a recurring sign, but a one time event.

The Revelation 12 Heavenly Sign only occurs once on the 23 September 2017 and at no other time in all of Man's History. It is a one time event.

 

[CoreIssue]

Plus, it is not a recurring sign, but a one time event.

The Revelation 12 Heavenly Sign only occurs once on the 23 September 2017 and at no other time in all of Man's History. It is a one time event.

Again you parse and disregard what else was said.

You cannot date set this, since it is after the Rapture. No constellation will ever look like the Woman and it is not a wonder, as the KJV says.

Someone else said it was the sign in 9/11/3 BC at the birth of Christ at Rosh Hashanah.

Here you see NASA discredit this thinking effectively. He talks about how many times in history people, such as you, have made such claims, only to fail. He says you cannot possible pin down positions to make any prediction. No point in the sky looks the same from more than one place on the earth.

This fails on every front.

 

[revcheleven]

I agree the woman is Israel (since she has to flee 1260 days and how can a constellation do that) never the less the Sign/Wonder is first seen in the 2nd Heaven and this marks the time that the fleeing begins.

 

[revcheleven]

The 3BC event does not have Jupiter in the picture at all. The Stellarium program lets you view it from multiple locations. I have just viewed it from USA, Australia and Israel and it all looks the same.

 

[CoreIssue]

Mark, you are not answering verse and proofs that reject your claims. That is neither discussion or debate, it is preaching.

CTZ is not a platform for your preaching or trying to transfer your website material here, as you are doing.

Therefore, all your new posts have been deleted and you must continue here, answering challenges first. No new posts will be allowed until you do so.

This is an old effort done by cults and those into false doctrine. Prove you are here to discuss and debate, with proof, not preach.